MA Hardware Benchmark time

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 01 Jul 2007 17:27

Hi people :-)

It's time for a quick MA Benchmarking session I reckon

Quote your CPU (model and speed) and if you know it, your motherboard and chipset.
Quote your ram, amount of it (speed settings if yuo know)
Graphics card (and if you've got it overclocked, the ram and core speeds)
Sound card

Then, boot 1946 and set the resolution to 1280x960 in 32bit colout. Make sure you've got everything in the main game graphics settings maxed, in OpenGL, with Perfect setting for ground, BUT put Clouds to Medium (as thats the lowest you can use in a dogfight server)

Choose Play Track from main menu, and choose Black Death. Keep the toogle switches UP for Loop, Down for time and view control (that's OFF) and UP for the bottom one.

Play the track, and as soon as it starts, push SHIFT and TAB.

Type (without the quotes) "fps START SHOW" making sure to use those lower case and upper case as i've typed it.

Hit SHIFT and TAB again, and it'll continue the track.

Leave the track to run through for about 15 -20 minutes, and take a note of the MAX FPS and the AVERAGE FPS. Ignore the Minimum as it often drops to 1 when you type in the command line.

Then do the same on the KAMIKAZE track as it has a lot of water. 15-20 minutes, and note the frame rates.

THen post it all here

Dont be shy.....doesnt matter if it's immensely fast or uber slow

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 02 Jul 2007 17:53

AMD A64 twin core 3800+ , running at 2.4 ghz per core
2 gig of DDR 400, 4x512 sticks, Corsair Value Select
X1900 512GDDR stock speeds
M-Audio Revolution 7.1

Black Death :
Average 57fps
Max 760fps

Kamikaze:
Average 54fps
Max 182

Edit: With V sync on at 60 (my monitors prefered)
Kamikaze:
Average 44 fps
Max: 62

Trig · Post by **Trig** » 02 Jul 2007 23:07

Will run mine over the weekend if i get chance maybe even tomorrow...

SmoothNuts · Post by **SmoothNuts** » 03 Jul 2007 21:12

C2D 3.2GHz
2x1GB
8800GTS
Onboard Sound

Kamikaze
Min : 36
Avg: 101
Max: 384

With water=4 on too

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 07 Jul 2007 10:16

thats a pretty serious score Nuts...that Core2Duo is very powerful

Will run Rias's PC next

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 07 Jul 2007 10:35

Nuts...could you run that with Vsync enabled? Just to bring the Average back down to whatever it would be then.

Also, would you knock the res down to something much lower and see what the average goes too?

Still trying to figure just what sort of a CPU load this game is.

Cheers chap.

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 07 Jul 2007 11:00

Rias' PC:

ATI motherboard (Ali somthing or other)
AMD A64 3800+ (standard 2.4 ghz)
2 gig (2x1 gig PC2700 Cas 2.5)
ATI X1600 256mb DDR at stock speeds

Kamikaze:
Max 67 fps (that's with vsync on)
Average 36fps

SmoothNuts · Post by **SmoothNuts** » 07 Jul 2007 14:05

VSYNC on (75Hz) - Kamikaze02

Max: 79 (vsync didnt do a very good job there!)
Avg: 68

Bear in mind that's max graphical details and even 3d gunners turned on!

MA_Clingy · Post by **MA_Clingy** » 08 Jul 2007 13:45

AMD64 3000+ Stock
ASUS Mobo - Running Cool & Quiet BIOS/Sofware
2x512MB Corsair CMX512? 3200 stock
NVIDIA 6800GT 256MB o/c 400/1100

Black Death - Avg 28 Max 66
Kamikazi - Avg 31 Max 63

Post by **MA_Hat** » 08 Jul 2007 20:53

I think I got something that maxes it out at 60.. but cant remember what...

If ya tell me exactly what to do.. and exactly what I need to do to get it back to what it is at now.. then I'll gladly help ya

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 09 Jul 2007 18:33

Hat...it's V sync, which is the thing that stops the card refreshing any faster than you're monitors refresh rate..

BUT it's there to keep the screen from "tearing" when you swivel your head round fast, so is best kept on. Lets face it, 60 fps (most TFT's are between 60 and 75hx refresh), 60 frams per second is smooth.

Its the dips that bring the average down that I'm interested in.

Nuts for example has a nuclear reactor for a PC, with a beast cpu and a monster card.

So his maximum frame rate with vsync off was sky high (as was mine in places) but it doesnt help game play really.

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 09 Jul 2007 18:42

SmoothNuts wrote:VSYNC on (75Hz) - Kamikaze02

Max: 79 (vsync didnt do a very good job there!)
Avg: 68

Bear in mind that's max graphical details and even 3d gunners turned on!

very serious pc

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 09 Jul 2007 18:54

MA_Clingy wrote:AMD64 3000+ Stock
ASUS Mobo - Running Cool & Quiet BIOS/Sofware
2x512MB Corsair CMX512? 3200 stock
NVIDIA 6800GT 256MB o/c 400/1100

Black Death - Avg 28 Max 66
Kamikazi - Avg 31 Max 63

think it's time for an overclock there Clingy? They run quite well at faster speeds

MA_Clingy · Post by **MA_Clingy** » 09 Jul 2007 22:36

I like running cool and quiet

Did do a bit early on, but got confused with the memory timings. The GFX is nice and easy to clock

Post by **MA_Hat** » 10 Jul 2007 03:55

vsync ON at 75Hz (Just changed to this from 60)

Changed my settings according to your post, yet left conf.ini unchanged at....

3dgunners=1
TypeClouds=1
Water=1
Sky=2
Forest=2
LandShading=3
LandDetails=2
Shadows=2

The black death
Max: 80
Avg: 63

Kamikaze02
Max: 77
Avg: 58

Rates didnt seem to drop when all the 3d gunners came into view as the carrier floated by.. but seemed to do so on the long shots of the smoking carrier near the end

Funny thing though now, is that the sound distorts on flak bursts.. so am gonna change it back to what I had before..

The PC specs are all listed in the "Time for a new PC thread"

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 10 Jul 2007 08:20

thats pretty fast Hat.

those Core2Duo's really do fly through this games code

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 10 Jul 2007 08:39

Reason I'm interested in this, (again) is because this game still needs more CPU power than video power.

I did this:

1280x960 x32 v sync set at 60
Kamikaze:
Average 44 Max 62

1024x768 x32 v sync set at 60
Kamikaze:
Average 45 Max 62

800x600 x32 v sync set at 60
Kamikaze:
Average 48 Max 62

Normally, in most games you'd see a good frame rate increase by dropping the resolution that far, becaue the low frame moments would be lessened, and mayne not arrive at all. But not in this game. OK, if V sync was off, the frame rates would go sky high, and bring the average back up, but the lows would still be low.

The cpu is still calculating most of the imagery I think? Nuts...what do you think?
If any of you Core2Duo boys would be kind and run the same settings exactly that you prefer on all tests, but keep dropping the resolution.

And you must let it run all the way through, cos they all start high...but by the time the Kamikaze attacjs start, the frames drops...and drops...and drops. By the time the Bomber swirls into the sea, mine is on it's knees again

Trig · Post by **Trig** » 10 Jul 2007 08:52

I've got a C2D, just a case of getting the time to get on the bloody PC...

MA_Thorn · Post by **MA_Thorn** » 10 Jul 2007 12:06

Zak.. IL2 has always needed more cpu than gpu, and always will as long as it uses dx8 or opengl.. why does this always come as a surprise to you?

I've got a c2d system, if somone provides a link for the black death track I'll give it a go sometime.

Post by **MA_Hat** » 10 Jul 2007 14:33

The blackdeath and kamikaze02 tracks come as part of the standard install Thorn... If you're sure you havent got em I can mail em over?

MA_Thorn · Post by **MA_Thorn** » 10 Jul 2007 15:46

rgr, will look through the list when I get a chance - I thought tumble or dak made the blackdeath one.

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 10 Jul 2007 18:14

MA_Thorn wrote:Zak.. IL2 has always needed more cpu than gpu, and always will as long as it uses dx8 or opengl.. why does this always come as a surprise to you?

cos the games not moved on, but CPU's have, and I'd have thuoght that we'd have technically caught up with the bugger by now.

But nope....even with a monster twin core C2D at over 3 gig, Nut's still dips below 60.

MA_Thorn · Post by **MA_Thorn** » 10 Jul 2007 20:13

Catch up with what?

It's the software (i.e. IL2) that needs to catch up with the hardware, not the other way round. DX8 is 7 years old. The only way IL2 will 'catch up' is a complete bin and rewrite from near enough scratch.

If the software instructs to use the CPU, the CPU get's used.. the machine can't just decide "Oh, I'll use the GPU instead."

MA_Thorn · Post by **MA_Thorn** » 10 Jul 2007 21:00

c2d e6600 stock
2gb ocz ddr6400
8800gts 640mb BFG pre-clocked jobby.
Asus p5n-e sli, can't remember chipset.

1280x1024, max everything (inc. clouds)

Blackdeath: Min 28, Avg 59, Max 68.
Kamikaze: Min 19, Avg 52, Max 65.

edit: vsync on.

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 11 Jul 2007 14:40

MA_Thorn wrote:If the software instructs to use the CPU, the CPU get's used.. the machine can't just decide "Oh, I'll use the GPU instead."

hey, I agree...but when I say catchup, I mean this:

Most people agree that a minimum playable frame rate is about 30 fps. Do you guy's agree? Minimum. I'd much rather see over 40fps.

But we still see frame rates drop quite a lot below that....as you say...7 years later.

I understand the Dx8.1 to Dx9 and 10 difference, but surely, by now, we'd have got to a stage where the game can run consistently at over 40fps

MA_Thorn · Post by **MA_Thorn** » 12 Jul 2007 10:25

My prefered minimum for game's is 50 tbh. Any less and I start getting headaches from the jumpyness/jerkyness

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 21 Jul 2007 09:52

in my eternal quest for the ragged edge of this game....I'm gonna upgrade.

Just to see.,......see if I can max out my video card with CPU power.

SmoothNuts · Post by **SmoothNuts** » 21 Jul 2007 15:00

I don't think the games relativly poor performance has a too direct relationship to it using (earlier) ogl. There's a tremendous pattern in Russian games of poor performance.

MA_Thorn · Post by **MA_Thorn** » 21 Jul 2007 15:47

Aye, that's most likely down to rushed development. However I was highlighting that todays hardware is not very good at running yesterdays software.

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 21 Jul 2007 21:45

none the less.....I'm going up in CPU and not in video

I feel a Quad coming on

Trig · Post by **Trig** » 21 Aug 2007 12:58

Core 2 Duo E6420
4Gb OCZ PC2-6400
ATi Radeon x1950 Pro
Abit AB9 Pro 965 Chipset

The Black Death: Avg 58, Max 109
Kamikaze02: Avg 59, Max 160

Will do same tests with C2D Quad later.

Trig · Post by **Trig** » 24 Aug 2007 00:51

Core 2 Quad Q6600
4Gb OCZ PC2-6400
ATi Radeon x1950 Pro
Asus P5K-E P35 Chipset

The Black Death: Avg 73, Max 512
Kamikaze02: Avg 68, Max 177

Trig · Post by **Trig** » 24 Aug 2007 10:23

I'll have a play 2nite with the affinity settings and see how much the cores effect the frame rate...

MA_Zak33 · Post by **MA_Zak33** » 17 Sep 2007 18:31

Trig wrote:Core 2 Quad Q6600
4Gb OCZ PC2-6400
ATi Radeon x1950 Pro
Asus P5K-E P35 Chipset

The Black Death: Avg 73, Max 512
Kamikaze02: Avg 68, Max 177

that's nice

Trig · Post by **Trig** » 18 Sep 2007 09:21

Only ran it on my x32 XP machine.
I could always run it again under Vista 64 but I doubt it would be any faster as Vista quite frankly sucks assring..

XP64 might be a better option?!